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ferebug

We’ve had solar panels installed with batteries, and are changing our upstairs gas heated radiators to infrared panel heaters. This will be the first winter we’ve used them but we’re hoping for lower bills. Our ground floor is fully tiled with water based UFH so our gas boiler remains for now. We’re not keen on going to an air source heat pump when the time comes and are looking for alternatives

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awsl

Putting aside the environmental considerations, folks may consider a hybrid solution. Do the maths to see whether installing a ASHP sized to heat your home in the ‘shoulder’ months, and keeping your existing carbon source to do the winter heavy lifting and hot water. Manufacturers like panasonic have a module on their ASHP that will determine which heat source to use based on air temp and your preferred inputs.

There are obvious power savings/ chunky cost avoidance as readers will see in above posts as ASHPs are just not that great below 5-7c.
There is also a capital outlay saving in not buying a larger ASHP.
Plus larger ASHP are not as efficient as smaller units. There are new 5kw units getting pretty much 5 COP @ 7c….there are no 12-16kw units getting near that…closer to 4 COP…so a 20% performance delta.
There are other benefits in that existing hot water infrastructure can be retained (ASHP-compatible cylinders are expensive - I don’t think there’s an economic pay back on these!) plus no need to spend incremental electricity on getting water temps up as ASHP require a lot of electricity to produce higher water temps.
You may well find the govt subsidy just isn’t worth it when you factor in all these dimensions.
Worth considering also is it gives you choice over your installer and reduced exposure to price gouging at install - we had quotes clearly bumped up because of the govt subsidy.

Every heating situation is unique, unless you have a brand new build, in which case ASHP should make sense. Having said all that, I chose air to air - I get to make use of more of my investment through the whole year with the AC in summer and heat pump function across shoulder months while retaining oil for winter heating & HW. Aircon indoor unit enhanced features further improve our indoor air quality. I’ve got MVHR, but don’t believe the performance literature - don’t expect 90% heat retention… more like 55-60%. I wish I could find data on the conditions they use to arrive at that 90%….

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iaingwhyte

One of the other issues I rarely see mentioned is that of the electricity supply to the house. We are in a rural situation, no gas, everything electric. When I spoke to the power supply network 10 years ago they wanted over £15000 to increase our supply capacity and we had to dig the trenches. You need to do some serious power management across 24 hours if you want to heat your house, charge your car and cook on a newish house with a 65A feed. With the doubling of electricity charges recently, heat pumps are to my mind an expensive liability. Oil costs less than 70p per litre and 1 litre generates 10kWh of heat at a cost of 7pence per kWh. A heat pump on a 28p per kWh tariff would need a CoP of 4 to better that. I agree with AWSL (previous comment) about small ASHP for spring, summer and autumn keeping oil for winter. One issue I've come across on MVHR is that once set up, all rooms are ventilated and kept at essentially the same temperature so it's not easy to shut down some unused rooms or even maintain a temperature differential between living rooms and bedrooms.

   

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