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Kitchen Design Dilema!

Dan H
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

Hi - hope you're keeping well!

My other half and I have started putting together ideas for our house renovation. The plans involve opening up the ground floor to create a kitchen / diner / lounge. On the absolute top of the list is the kitchen!


We're put together some initial ideas for the kitchen design and arrangement using a free piece of software (existing and proposed pictures attached) but just wonder if we're making the most efficient use of the space or whether there are any other ideas or layouts that would most suit the space. We're also conscious that we want to ensure we have enough cabinet and storage space whilst not overproviding! I think we are also concerned about making the space feel too cramped - due to the restricted width.






We're working with quite a narrow and space c. 2.4m by 4.5m. At the moment we are considering a U-shaped kitchen with a breakfast bar at the end.


We would ideally like a oven and microwave eye-height in a tower but also wonder if it might be a nuisance if it's located behind the hob? We might be pushing our luck here!


We would be very grateful if anyone has any suggestions / recommendations and even ideas on where to add appliances to make the most efficient use of the space.

Thank you all in advance.

Many thanks,

Dan

Comments (29)

  • Carolina
    3 years ago

    Hi, bumping your question :-)

    Dan H thanked Carolina
  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Great, thanks Carolina!

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  • Carolina
    3 years ago

    I'm not a pro, but I like what you've come up with. The only thing I'm unsure about is the two upper cabinets flanking the cooker hood. I'd go without those. Can you put windows in that long wall above the cabinets? That would make it less corridor-like, more spacious.


    Just some tips: think about where your bins are going. And your dishwasher, so that you can open it without it being in the way. Also, use the nifty turny thingies (technical term) in the corner cabinets to make optimum practical use of them. And drawers. Where possible, use drawers. They are so much more practical than shelves behind doors. Don't forget to plan for lighting. I'd put in wall lights.


    To show the effect of windows


    Victorian Terrace House Kitchen · More Info



  • PRO
    Riches Interiors
    3 years ago

    Hi Dan, I have just come across your query and specialise in small space design. whilst its not a 'small' space you do have some limitations with the narrow kitchen! I will brainstorm a couple of ideas and come back to you tomorrow. :)

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  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    @Carolina Thank you for your ideas! I quite like the Victorian terrace design. There is currently an external door (to be blocked up) in the current kitchen so there may be scope for a window. The only drawback is that the view would be of the side access and the adjacent house as we are situated in an estate.


    Thanks for the appliances tips.


    What sort of lighting do you think would suit? I originally was intending for spotlights throughout and perhaps a pendant over the breakfast bar.


    thank you!


  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Thats kind @Riches Interiors - look forward to hearing your ideas!

  • Carolina
    3 years ago

    Yep, I'd go for spotlights in the ceiling too. But I'd probably add wall lights that shine down on the worktop. Ceiling lights and wall lights on separate switches. Not sure whether I'd hang a pendant over the breakfast bar. It's only a small breakfast bar and I don't know if I'd want to break up that clean line. Assuming you'll also have a pendant over the dining table. Might have spotlights over the bar.


  • PRO
    Riches Interiors
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Hi Dan, apologies for the delay it has been a busy few days. In terms of the layout you have come up with, I think it is good, however in a width of 2.4, it is definitely going to be a squeeze having units down both sides. I would be inclined in this case to have a more linear kitchen, and have the units running down the outside wall (including cooker/microwave) with wall units following this, and place under unit lighting along with the spots you have mentioned.

    I would also use the opposing wall for a more shallow pantry storage unit so that it doesn't stick out so far into the room but still gives you a wrap around kitchen feeling.

    With regards to the breakfast bar, is it something you have always wanted? Only that in a space like this it could make it feel more cramped than it actually is. If it is a feature you can't go without, maybe extend the linear kitchen length down past the kitchen door - closer to where you have laid the dining table - and make it more of a feature in the social space. This way

    you prevent having a smaller gap right where the main walkway will be as with your plan you enter the room at the same place as the breakfast bar. It may become a frustration if you have children or lots of people trying to go in and out of that doorway!

    My suggestion here is maybe a little more unconventional, but I have seen some really beautiful linear kitchens. Just as a really quick and slightly bright example this is what I mean! You could also then have a built in corner bench attached to the bar and going along the wall for your dining seating.



    Below is a little example from pinterest of what I mean for the bar/seating.


    Happy to discuss further, either on here or direct.

  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Not a problem at all @Riches Interiors! I appreciate you taking the time to get back to me.

    That is an interesting concept - without cabinets on one length this would make the kitchen feel more spacious. We love the idea of an island / breakfast bar but in perhaps with an open plan living space it's not completely necessary - particularly with our restricted kitchen width. I think we would ideally like to keep the kitchen separate from the dining and living spaces if we can.

    I don't suppose you have any example images of the type of layout that you have suggested? If not - no problem! I'll revisit the design programme and will put something together as per your comments to see how it looks! I'll post what I come up with on here.

    I guess what we were originally going for is something like the image below, but unfortunately I haven't been able to confirm the kitchen width / length for a proper comparison! Thinking back to @Carolina 's comment - the design below actually reflects your suggestion of removing the two upper wall cabinets that flank the cooker hood!



  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Hi all,

    Thanks for your feedback so far! I've mocked up two alternative layouts which might make the kitchen feel more spacious.

    In this layout, I have left the internal door opening where it currently enters the kitchen (as seen on existing plan above). This has enabled me to clear the cupboard on this elevation and add a little breakfast area on the left hand side. However, I fear that we may be lacking in cupboard space without a larder cupboard. The fridge being located at the rear of the kitchen also seems to block the clear straight line down the kitchen.

    I think that's my main issue - figuring where to add a larder cupboard and fridge without blocking line of sight down the kitchen.




    2.

    This layout removed the concept of a breakfast bar altogether in place of a fridge and larder cupboard. There are no units down one side of the kitchen which does give a more spacious feel.

    We don't have the clear line of sight down the base cabinets from the diner table but the open plan nature might counter this?





    As a basis for comparison, this is what we had thought of doing previously:





    Sorry for the lengthy reply! Any feedback greatly appreciated!


    Many thanks,

    Dan

  • Carolina
    3 years ago

    I still prefer your first design.

  • Carolina
    3 years ago

    If you have more than 100 cm between the cabinets on both sides, it’ll be fine, I think. I mean, if you look at it as an island kitchen, 100 cm is the minimum you need around the island. I mean, it’s a narrow kitchen, that’s a fact. But, speaking for myself, I prefer more cabinets, eye level ovens, built in full height fridge freezer and lots of counter space. Also, when I designed my current kitchen, I didn’t think we’d need a breakfast bar because we have the dining table close by. But I missed it, so we later added a bar table and stools. We use those a lot: coffee with a friend, one person hangs out there while the other cooks, breakfast...

    I think adding a window, even if the view isn’t glorious, will make a difference to the feeling of space. No upper cabinets on one side will help too. Look in stories on Houzz for galley kitchens I bet there’s loads of info and ideas

  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    @Carolina thanks for your comments - I'll take those on board. We're definitely keen for a breakfast bar and an eye level oven if we can squeeze one in!


    @Nicky C thanks for contributing- interesting to hear the L shaped kitchen worked for you! Was your kitchen of a similar size to mine? I don't suppose you have posted any images of your kitchen have you?


    Thanks!

  • I
    3 years ago

    would you consider turning the current kitchen into a snug (blocking up the door) and the current lounge/diner into the kitchen /diner

  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    @I Hi Ingrid. That actually was the initial idea, however, the proportions just felt all off with a spacious kitchen / diner and a significantly smaller 2.4m / 4m lounge. The Kitchen diner did look wonderful though... with an island and plenty of width to play with!

  • Nicky C
    3 years ago





  • Carolina
    3 years ago

    Gorgeous kitchen @Nicky C

  • FM Lorenzo
    3 years ago

    Nicky C, are you able to share your kitchen dimensions? I’m looking to do something very similar but am struggling to visualise it!

  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    @Nicky C You have a stunning Kitchen there!

  • Nicky C
    3 years ago

    Fm Lorenzo - I’m sorry I moved at the back end of 2020 so it’s being enjoyed by the new owners.

    In the first pic the joist across the ceiling was the wall between original kitchen & dining room and the square arch was the remaining original outside wall (where dining room finished) as I also had a small extension at the same time as kitchen refurb.

    It was lengthy & a joy to cook/socialise in. I’m guessing the kitchen itself ended up c.25 ft by 10ft then the dining area was on the back. You can just see it in the pic.

    Hopes this helps

  • Nicky C
    3 years ago


    This is the extension - dining room/snug

  • User
    3 years ago

    I prefer the first one as said by previous commenters. The bar areas where you all/both sit looking at a wall are pretty miserable to sit at :(


    Also, would you be happy to tell me what you used to create these please?


    MT

  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Thanks for your thoughts @User.


    It’s a programme called Foyr.com its an interior design programme - a little fiddly though! Useful to come up with concepts rather than exact layouts for appliances etc. I used the free trial.

  • User
    3 years ago

    @Dan H thank you very much!!!

  • FM Lorenzo
    3 years ago

    Thank you @Nicky C that's really useful!

  • PRO
    Riches Interiors
    3 years ago

    Hi Dan, Unfortunately I don't have photos specifically, it would most likely need to be bespoke fitted, but definitely possible if you did decide to go down that route.

    However it looks like you've recieved some really constructive feedback below, as Caroline has mentioned the 100cm rule around an island, most standard fitted units are around 70cm so if you had units on either side you should have just about a meter between if the width is 2.4m. As Nicky has suggested their space was possibly around 10ft wide its almost a meter more width than you have to play with, but as I say you should be able to manage it. Bare in mind opening the oven door into that space - would be a good idea to look into sliding oven doors to maximise convenience too.

    I am sure you will end up with a great design, you have a great platform here for advice! Look forward to hearing what you decide on.

    Georgie

  • rinked
    3 years ago

    Your first design looks spot on, except the upper cabinets next to the hood, remove those, perhaps add a 20cm deep shelf to add some built-in spots.

    Please do pick smooth doors, as the amount of shaker style fronts will make it very pompous.

    Pick a pale countertop and pale fronts, 60cms deep. Add color if needed by painting the large wall extending into the living area. It will be lovely.


    (this advise comes from a kitchen planner-designer) ;) ;)

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  • Dan H
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Thank you @rinked!


    Thank you @Carolina amd @Riches Interiors for your input too! It’s been great to discuss the ideas and get feedback.


    As suggested, we’ve removed the wall cabinets - in the design I have added some small open storage but I think we will start with none and see how we use the space. If we need additional storage we can add shelves or those like in the below.


    I couldn’t find a specific breakfast bar in the software so it’s just another cupboard. It will have space for two stools / chairs.





    Next step is to get the professionals in to design the kitchen formally!

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